Mr. Clyde Howard has been a good friend of the site since its early days. When I put out my call for personal stories of travel from the World War II years, he had this gem of a tale about a trip that his mother had taken him on as a toddler to visit his father in 1944, as told to him years later by his mother:

I obviously (about a year old at the time) have no recollections of the trip or the time we spent in San Francisco, but here goes.

Dad had been transferred from NAS, Dallas to the West Coast and was in San Francisco (actually, Treasure island) and arrangements were made for Mom to go out.

She and another young navy wife, with a child about my age, managed to get reservations to go out (Olan was also out at Treasure island), Pullman, Mom had the lower and Louise the upper. She mentioned that the diner was only certainly available to first class passengers (amount of food on board, it seems - and sometimes after priority passengers, which didn't always mean Navy wives, the menu was often sparse. but they always had milk for the babies, and usually baby food), and that a couple of times the train made a meal stop and EVERYBODY got off and headed for cafes and/or Harvey House if there was one.

The train was full. Pullmans and chair cars. She didn't mention ever using/visiting a lounge car. Spent, it seems, a fair amount of time taking sidings for higher priority trains - troopers and maybe some hot-shot freights. Well, there was a war on... She said she was REALLY glad they had a section instead of riding coach.

May have had to change cars at Brownwood, but as best i can recall, she didn't mention having to do that, and the impression i had was through car from Dallas to Oakland. Trip was apparently tiring. So - mainly riding the train, then riding some more.I gathered they were pretty tired of the train by the time they got out of texas, nd then three more states to cross. She mentioned  the diner being pretty heavily used, never any empty seats and the crew working hard and steadily. And sometimes running out of most menu items.

All the cars were standard heavyweights of course. Reasonably comfortable, didn't say anything about being unduly hot or cold, so HVAC was working.

She said they had meal stops a couple of times, but i only recall Needles as named. Apparently the diner was out of supplies at that point (or possibly had been cut off for some reason after breakfast), because everybody who intended to eat had to get off and go some eating establishment. Weren't going to have too long (don't recall her giving a specific time, but apparently not generous, said everything was hurried). In any case they got off and the nearest place that didn't already have a line snaking out the door and down  sidewalk was at least a couple of blocks away. And here were these two young wives, each with a baby who had to be carried. Weren't sure they could get down there, fed, and back as quick as needed. Couple of young officers (I think Army, possibly fliers) just grabbed the babies and said "Come on!" and headed down the sidewalk at a brisk walk. With the wives chasing after. Everybody got fed, and back to the train before it left town, and they then ran on up to Oakland, where Dad and Olan met them and on over to San Francisco to settle the girls and babies in the rooms they had been able to find - not apartments, but rooms with bath and kitchen privileges in  houses.

Trip is remembered as long, not one that would make you remember rail travel with great affection, but better than driving. But Mom was still always willing to use trains after the war, particularly in the summer time. Air conditioning, which not many cars had (except some luxury models and not all them) in those times.

So it would appear that the mere presence of a dining car in the consist would not obviate the need for meal stops in this time period. There is also the possibility that the train was running in multiple sections, and that there might not have been enough dining cars to equip every section with one. By this time, Santa Fe and Fred Harvey had reopened the Harvey Houses which had been closed during the Depression and had called the "Harvey Girls" out of retirement to staff them. They faced a near-impossible challenge, as the War Department did not notify them of troop train movements in advance...so one day might be slow, and the next day they might have to feed lunch to a thousand passengers and troops. The famous "Fred Harvey Standard" suffered irrecoverably as a result.


From the pages of the Official Guide, August 1944

Santa Fe Railway herald

Trains 6-75-92-97-23 and 24-98-91-76-5

Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Ry.
April 2, 1944

1 Connecting Train Number (Southern Pacific Lines) 2
8 45A Dp 0 New Orleans, LA (Union Station) (CT) T C Ar 8 45P
7 45P Ar 363 Houston, TX (Grand Central Sta.) (CT) T C Dp 9 30A
The Ranger continues to/from Galveston
6 Continuing Train Number (Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe Ry.) 5
6 30P Dp 0.0 Galveston, TX (CT) T C Ar 9 25A
7 55P Ar 53.0 Houston, TX (Union Station) (CT) T C M Dp 7 55A
6 Train Number 5
Daily Miles (Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe) Services Daily
8 30P Dp 0.0 Houston, TX (Union Station) (CT) T C M Ar M 7 30A
F 9 24P 33.4 Richmond, TX T F 6 25A
9 31P 35.9 Rosenberg, TX T C 6 21A
F 46.3 Orchard, TX F
F 52.3 Wallis, TX T C F
10 08P 64.6 Sealy, TX T C 5 45A
10 40P 77.7 Bellville, TX T C 5 11A
F 86.3 Kenney, TX F
11 06P 96.1 Brenham, TX T C 4 45A
F 105.7 Gay Hill, TX F
11 35P 111.4 Somerville, TX T C 4 20A
F 114.8 Lyons, TX T F
12 01A 127.7 Caldwell, TX T C 3 54A
F 134.6 Chriesman, TX F
12 35A 144.2 Milano, TX T C 3 30A
12 55A 157.8 Cameron, TX T C 3 07A
F 167.1 Buckholts, TX F
F 174.5 Rogers, TX T C F
F 182.1 Heidenheimer, TX T F
1 45A Ar 187.9 Temple, TX T C Dp 2 25A
The Ranger continues to/from Fort Worth, Kansas City & Chicago
2 10A Dp 187.9 Temple, TX T C Ar 2 00A
6 20A Ar 316.1 Fort Worth, TX T C Dp 11 00P
(Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe)
12 51P Ar 520.7 Oklahoma City, OK T C Dp 5 20P
11 00P Ar 904.7 Kansas City, MO T C Dp 8 00A
10 00A Ar 1355.8 Chicago, IL (Dearborn Station) (CT) T C Dp 8 15P
75 Continuing Train Number (Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe) 76
2 20A Dp 187.9 Temple, TX T C Ar 1 00A
2 35A 196.1 Belton, TX T C 12 40A
3 10A 213.2 Killeen, TX T C 12 13A
3 27A 223.9 Copperas Cove, TX T 11 49P
4 05A 244.4 Lampasas, TX T C 11 08P
4 45A 263.4 Lometa, TX T C 10 35P
5 24A 285.1 Goldthwaite, TX T C 9 55P
F 5 39A 295.4 Mullen, TX T F 9 36P
6 01A 314.0 Zephyr, TX T 9 20P
6 30A Ar 320.1 Brownwood, TX T C Dp 9 00P
Through Cars Dallas-Fort Worth-Sweetwater/Clovis
66 Train Number (Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe) 65
9 30P Dp 0.0 Dallas, TX (Union Depot) (CT) T C Ar 7 55A
10 20P Ar 31.0 Fort Worth, TX (Union Station) T C Dp 7 10A
77 Continuing Train Number (Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe) 78
11 25P Dp 31.0 Fort Worth, TX (Union Station) T C Ar 6 10A
F11 53P 42.8 Primrose, TX F 5 32A
F12 01A 46.4 Plover, TX F 5 22A
F12 11A 51.8 Winscott, TX F 5 11A
12 22A 56.2 Cresson, TX T 5 03A
F12 30A 60.5 Chapin, TX F 4 53A
F12 38A 65.1 Waples, TX F 4 40A
12 52A 70.9 Granbury, TX T C 4 28A
1 11A 80.8 Tolar, TX T 4 05A
1 28A 89.5 Bluffdale, TX T 3 46A
F 1 43A 96.9 Immermere, TX F 3 30A
2 07A 106.7 Stephenville, TX T C 3 10A
F 2 23A 115.3 Harbin, TX F 2 52A
2 40A 120.5 Dublin, TX T C 2 40A
3 30A 142.6 Comanche, TX T C 1 55A
F 3 44A 149.9 Watson, TX F 1 38A
F 3 56A 156.1 Blanket, TX F 1 27A
F 4 11A 164.6 Delaware, TX F 1 11A
4 35A Ar 173.2 Brownwood, TX T C Dp 12 50A
The Angelo continues to/from San Angelo
4 50A Dp 173.2 Brownwood, TX T C Ar 12 30A
7 30A Ar 270.3 San Angelo, TX (CT) T C Dp 9 30P
75 Continuing Train Number (Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe) 76
6 45A Dp 320.1 Brownwood, TX T C Ar 8 35P
F 7 24A 341.5 Santa Anna, TX T C 7 49P
7 43A 350.0 Coleman, TX T C 7 30P
F 8 01A 362.8 Silver Valley, TX F 7 03P
F 8 08A 368.4 Novice, TX T F 6 55P
8 27A 381.0 Lawn, TX T 6 39P
8 35A 387.1 Tuscola, TX T C 6 30P
8 49A 392.1 Buffalo Gap, TX T C 6 21P
9 03A 398.3 View, TX C 6 09P
F 9 20A 410.0 Blair, TX F 5 53P
10 10A Ar 434.5 Sweetwater, TX T C Dp 5 20P
92 Continuing Train Number (Panhandle & Santa Fe Ry.) 91
10 20A Dp 434.5 Sweetwater, TX T C Ar 5 10P
455.1 Pyron, TX T F 4 30P
11 18A 473.5 Snyder, TX T C 4 05P
12 17P 516.6 Post, TX T C 2 48P
533.1 Southland, TX T F 2 17P
12 55P Ar 540.5 Slaton, TX T C Dp 2 05P
97 Continuing Train Number (Panhandle & Santa Fe Ry.) 98
1 00P Dp 540.5 Slaton, TX T C Ar 2 00P
1 25P 555.8 Lubbock, TX T C 1 35P
F 1 59P 575.6 Roundup, TX T F12 52P
2 09P 579.9 Anton, TX T 12 45P
2 30P 592.5 Littlefield, TX C 12 25P
3 20P 623.3 Muleshoe, TX T C 11 32A
3 55P 645.3 Farwell-Texico, TX-NM T C 10 55A
4 10P Ar 654.6 Clovis, NM (CT) T C Dp 10 40A
Exchanges Through Cars With the Grand Canyon Limited
23 Connecting Train Number (Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe) 24
3 30P Dp 1114.1 Clovis, NM (MT) T C Ar 9 00A
10 10P Ar 1353.9 Belen, NM T C Dp 3 00A
8 00A Ar 1718.2 Williams, AZ (MT) T C Dp 5 25P
5 35P Ar 2085.2 Barstow, CA (PT) T C Dp 5 40A
5 55P Dp Ar 5 00A
8 20P Ar 2166.3 San Bernardino, CA T C Dp 2 05A
10 30P Ar 2226.1 Los Angeles, CA (Union Psgr. Tml.) (PT) T C Dp 11 55P
70 Connecting Train Number (Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe) 79
12 30A Dp 0.0 Los Angeles, CA (PT) T C Ar 9 45P
5 15A Ar 127.9 San Diego, CA (PT) T C Dp 7 00P
23 Connecting Train Number (Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe) 24
6 10P Dp 2085.2 Barstow, CA T C Ar 4 55A
10 40P Ar 2226.2 Bakersfield, CA C Dp 11 50P
7 55A Ar 2539.0 Oakland, CA (40th & San Pablo Ave.) (PT) T C Dp 2 30P
8 25A Ar 2546.1 San Francisco, CA (44 Fourth St.) (Via Bus) (PT) T C Dp 2 00P

Train 6-75-92-97 (Houston-Clovis): 38 stops; 19:40; 33.3 MPHTrain 98-91-76-5 (Clovis-Houston): 40 stops; 20:50; 31.4 MPH

Train 66-77-75-92-97 (Dallas-Clovis): 38 stops; 18:40; 27.2 MPHTrain 98-91-76-78-65 (Clovis-Dallas): 40 stops; 21:15; 23.9 MPH


NOTE: The original timetable is very unclear about exactly where the operational change from train No. 92 to 97 and from No. 98 to 91 is made. I have indicated the transition point at the division headquarters of Slaton, but a timetable from another year indicates that the change took place at the border station of Farwell-Texico and that for the nine miles to and from Clovis it was operated by the A. T. & S. F., not the Panhandle & Santa Fe.

(Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Notes)


Santa Fe
NEW ORLEANS, HOUSTON, TEXAS PANHANDLE AND CALIFORNIA.

No. 6-75-92-97-23—Daily.

Dormitory Lounge Car...A C Clovis to Los Angeles.

Sleeping Car...A C Houston to Oakland—10-Section, Drawing-room, 2-Compartments.

A C Houston to Brownwood—10-Section, 2-Drawing-room.

A C Dallas to Sweetwater—10-Section, 2-Drawing-room (on No. 66-77 to Brownwood).

A C Clovis to Los Angeles—10-Section, Drawing-room, 2-Compartments.

A C Galveston to Fort Worth—10-Section, Drawing-room, 2-Compartment (6 from Temple).

Tourist Sleeper...A C Clovis to Los Angeles

Dining Car...A C Brownwood to Clovis.

A C Clovis to Los Angeles.

A C New Orleans to Houston.

Cafe-Observation Car...Bakersfield to Oakland.

Santa Fe Parlor-Lounge Car...A C Los Angeles to San Diego (on connecting train).

Chair Car...A C Clovis to Los Angeles. A C Houston to Clovis.

A C Coach...New Orleans to Houston.

A C Smoker-Chair Car...Dallas to Clovis (on No. 66-77 to Brownwood). Barstow to Oakland.


No. 24-98-91-76-5—Daily.

Dormitory Lounge Car...A C Los Angeles to Clovis.

Sleeping Car...A C Oakland to Houston—10-Section, Drawing-room, 2-Compartments. (Open 9:00 p.m.)

A C Los Angeles to Clovis—10-Section, Drawing-room, 2-Compartments.

A C Sweetwater to Dallas—10-Section, 2-Drawing-room (on No. 78-65 from Brownwood).

A C Brownwood to Houston—10-Section, 2-Drawing-room.

A C Fort Worth to Galveston—10-Section, Drawing-room, 2-Compartments (5 to Temple).

Tourist Sleeper...A C Los Angeles to Clovis.

Dining Car...A C Oakland to Bakersfield. A C Los Angeles to Clovis.

A C Clovis to Brownwood. A C Houston to New Orleans.

Chair Car...A C Los Angeles to Clovis. A C Clovis to Houston.

Coach...A C Houston to New Orleans.

Smoker-Chair Car...A C Oakland to Barstow.

A C Clovis to Dallas (on No. 78-65 from Brownwood).


(Gulf, Colorado & Santa Fe Notes)


EQUIPMENT—TEXAS-OKLAHOMA-KANSAS CITY-CHICAGO-COLORADO-CALIFORNIA

No. 6-75-92-97-23—Daily (Grand Canyon Limited).

Sleeping Car...A C Houston to Oakland—10-Section, Drawing-room, 2 Compartments.

A C Clovis to Los Angeles—10-Section Lounge.

A C Clovis to Los Angeles—10-Section, Drawing-room, 2 Compartments.

A C Houston to Brownwood—10-Section, 2 Drawing-room (on No. 75 Temple to Brownwood).

A C Tourist Sleeper...Clovis to Los Angeles direct.

A C Dining Car...Brownwood to Clovis. A C Clovis to Los Angeles.

A C Dormitory Lounge Car...Clovis to Los Angeles.

A C Chair Car...Houston to Oakland.

N A C Chair Car...Houston to Los Angeles. (Tray service from Dining Car.)

No. 24-98-91-76-5—Daily (Grand Canyon Limited).

Sleeping Car...A C Oakland to Houston—10-Section, Drawing-room, 2 Compartments.

A C Los Angeles to Clovis—10-Section Lounge.

A C Los Angeles to Clovis—10-Section Drawing-room, 2 Compartments.

A C Brownwood to Houston—10-Section, 2 Drawing-room (on No. 76 Brownwood to Temple).

A C Tourist Sleeper...Los Angeles to Clovis direct.

A C Dormitory Lounge Car...Los Angeles to Clovis.

A C Dining Car...Los Angeles to Clovis. A C Clovis to Brownwood.

A C Chair Car...Oakland to Houston.

N A C Chair Car...Los Angeles to Houston. (Tray service from Dining Car.)